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1000 1v1v1 game

PostTue Apr 03, 2018 2:17 pm

Hi all
Next weekend we have a 1v1v1 battle and I want to try if I can fit my Bejing into a 1000pkt list...

Enemy are twice PHR but one will Play a fregate lazor list...

what do you think:

http://dflist.com/s/#/share/b3aa522741791

UCM 1000 BS - 994pts
UCM - 3 launch assets

SR15 Flag battlegroup (252pts)
1 x Beijing - 252pts - S

SR12 Vanguard battlegroup (249pts)
1 x Atlantis - 205pts - H
2 x Santiago - 44pts - L

SR7 Line battlegroup (169pts)
2 x New Orleans - 64pts - L
1 x Berlin - 105pts - M

SR7 Pathfinder battlegroup (143pts)
2 x New Orleans - 64pts - L
1 x Madrid - 79pts - M

SR7 Pathfinder battlegroup (181pts)
2 x Toulon - 70pts - L
1 x San Francisco - 111pts - M
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Re: 1000 1v1v1 game

PostTue Apr 03, 2018 2:27 pm

2 Santiago’s or 2 Toulons aren’t going to do much, and the Madrid is kinda...okay.

Are you using command cards? What other ships do you have available?

I have to commend you for trying to run a battleship (and a Beijing at that) at 1000 pts.
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Re: 1000 1v1v1 game

PostTue Apr 03, 2018 3:34 pm

I can build every ship starting at light cruiser at least once. Battlecruiser I have three. Every frigate I have twice execpt the New Orleans where I have four. But Toulons and Santiago’s I have only two. So better skip them off for another fregate?
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Re: 1000 1v1v1 game

PostTue Apr 03, 2018 4:19 pm

Yeah, personally I’d try to shoehorn an Avalon in instead of the Atlantis and some Jakarta’s.

If I may ask, how’d you end up with only two santiagos? The blister comes with 6 and even the fleet deal comes with 3
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Re: 1000 1v1v1 game

PostTue Apr 03, 2018 4:59 pm

Shoehorn? What does this mean?

And its an easy answer to your question. I have six at all but only two are painted because i have only six holders for my airbrush and the last time i painted the bejing with the second nose for the other two bs so three holders where reserved. Then the avalon which also needed one and finally two left for the first two corvettes :-D
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Re: 1000 1v1v1 game

PostTue Apr 03, 2018 5:47 pm

Conqueror wrote:Shoehorn? What does this mean?

And its an easy answer to your question. I have six at all but only two are painted because i have only six holders for my airbrush and the last time i painted the bejing with the second nose for the other two bs so three holders where reserved. Then the avalon which also needed one and finally two left for the first two corvettes :-D



Shoehorn is a reference to when people used to use sticks to force shoes that were too tight into their feet, so here it’s referring to trying to force it into the list.

And ahh that makes sense!
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Re: 1000 1v1v1 game

PostWed Apr 04, 2018 6:16 am

But if I skip to Avalon then I dont have any Fleet Carriers left. And against 2 PHR I think at least some fighters would be good or not?

I can replace the Madrid with a Seattle and then I loose a battle Group. And only four is not that much.

what do you think about this:

UCM 1000 BS - 991pts
UCM - 3 launch assets

SR15 Flag battlegroup (252pts)
1 x Beijing - 252pts - S

SR12 Vanguard battlegroup (259pts)
1 x Avalon - 195pts - H
2 x Jakarta - 64pts - L

SR7 Line battlegroup (169pts)
2 x New Orleans - 64pts - L
1 x Berlin - 105pts - M

SR7 Pathfinder battlegroup (196pts)
2 x New Orleans - 64pts - L
1 x Seattle - 132pts - M

SR3 Pathfinder battlegroup (115pts)
2 x Taipei - 78pts - L
1 x Lima - 37pts - L
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Re: 1000 1v1v1 game

PostWed Apr 04, 2018 8:25 am

Conqueror wrote:But if I skip to Avalon then I dont have any Fleet Carriers left. And against 2 PHR I think at least some fighters would be good or not?


Actually no, UCM Fighters provide a very ineffective countermeasure against bombers, in particular against PHR ones. If you want PD it is cheaper to use Jakartas which you already have and even they will not stop a concentrated Bomber effort. Just reduce the damage. If you want to stop the Bombers kill the Carriers asap.

But here are some numbers, each UCM fighter provides 3PD, to negate one PHR bomber on average you need 8 PD shots, for other bomber this drops to 2. So your fighter can stop 3/8 of a PHR bomber or 37,5% on average.


Your list has a Battleship and a Battlecruiser at 1000P that leaves little points for anything else, so my question is how optimised do you and your friend play? If you have fun with the Battleship keep it, though it is not the optimal choice, which is fine if you like the games with it.
The Avalon is the better choice by far compared to the Beijing if you want to simply optimise. In general the Burnthroughlaser (BTL) ship of the UCM a better then the alternatives at the moment (except to a degree against Shalatri if shields are up) only the St. Petersburg sticks out there.

However if you have not tried many games, or any, try your list first. In general you should consider what is more important to you and what makes more fun, playing more competitive or playing the ships that you want to play and/or look great. Sometimes those are compatible but if they are not keeping that in mind leads to less frustration. As you can have fun with non optimised lists. You just have to know what you want.
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Re: 1000 1v1v1 game

PostWed Apr 04, 2018 8:51 am

Thats a good Input so better no fleet carrier instead of a weak one against PHR. Thanks.
So I dont need a really maximised list I just wanted to test my new painted Bejing thats what I try to put this big ship into this small list. I know normally I should play other smaller ships but I thought maybe you have some good inputs like the one with the carrier.

actually I try to have still 5 BG's insteand of four but maybe this is the price I have to pay :D and finally I can hope that those PHR guys shoot each other and not on my ships...

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