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TTCombat aquires Hawk?

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TTCombat aquires Hawk?

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 2:02 pm

TTCombat have just purchased Hawk Wargames!

"Firstly, we have retained the creator and lead designer David Lewis who is now no longer tied down with trying to run the company, and free to design new rules and models. We have planned the next few years of product and along with DZ 2.0 there are lots of very exciting monthly releases! These waves will begin in January with Dropfleet Commander. In the mean time, we will put the battle fleets into production and this long awaited release will be ready in time for Christmas at the end of November!

We have been working on a range of scenery to launch with the release of 2.0 in both MDF and resin! (People wanted ruined buildings and soon they will have them). This will be in April, so there is still plenty of time for people to play the previous version of the game."

Happy days as another IP comes under the solid guidance of TTCombat!


https://m.facebook.com/groups/119468846 ... 8957579179

So Dave told me at Gencon new commanders January.

and 2.0 was to be this month right? I mean its not good news to delay 2.0 until april. The game needs fixes now...
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Re: TTCombat aquires Hawk?

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 2:25 pm

What amazes me more is that this hasn't come from TT Combat OR Hawk Wargames, but from the outpost.

Feels seriously mismanaged from the get go...

That said, hopefully it will lead to more releases and more life in the game and company..
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Re: TTCombat aquires Hawk?

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 3:23 pm

Sadly though, Hawk does now have a history of botched communications.

Not sure what this means for those of us still waiting for Kickstarter items.
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Re: TTCombat aquires Hawk?

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 3:47 pm

Over the last year a number of companies have been spoiling things early (like product releases or announcements). My guess is they got it and immediately posted rather than wait for the official announcement.
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Re: TTCombat aquires Hawk?

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 3:53 pm

So on the one hand, it is natural for us all to have a bias and worry, and consider this a bad thing. So we should keep it together and consider that this might have a positive impact on the game.

But the concerns I'm having right now are:

Who is TT Combat... I've literally never heard of them... and I'm not a slouch. Granted Carnevale was never my thing. Do they have a good reputation?

What about other Hawk staff?

and finally... one of the reasons DZC and DFC are great games, is that Dave has exerted tight creative control and his passion for a quality product... with him as an employee and not the owner, I worry greatly. I wonder if he kept ultimately rights to the IP/etc. and if he leaves the game leaves, or if TT Combat dissolves, if he retains ownership.
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Re: TTCombat aquires Hawk?

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 4:01 pm

I've been watching TTCombat for a while for their terrain. They make some really nice terrain and I was planning to get a lot of it but have been 3d printing instead as I run games in a lot of places and my 4ground MDF just kept getting beat up.
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Re: TTCombat aquires Hawk?

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 4:26 pm

I guess there's two options for dedicated fans:

1. Give up and go back to GW, at least that is going to stay the same consistently trashy game forever.

2. Buy all the Dz/fC forces they can so if the game goes under, they have all they need...

Seriously though, I hate when stuff like this happens to a game I love.

We invest time, work and love into a game we enjoy, and now nobody knows if next year we'll even still be able to buy those last models for our collection or even start that second or third factions we all someday wanted to collect.

And sorry, but TTCombat may be a stable, honest company willing to keep their IPs alive, or they may just as well be some badly-run investment scheme that'll just milk the IPs and throw them to the trash when they are finished. Looking at their website, nothing they have done up to now has even reached as many gamers as Hawk Wargames did, so they have no real reference.

I hate when stuff like this happens to a game I love.

Oh, I already said that.
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Re: TTCombat aquires Hawk?

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 4:48 pm

Skylifter-1000 wrote:I guess there's two options for dedicated fans:

1. Give up and go back to GW, at least that is going to stay the same consistently trashy game forever.

2. Buy all the Dz/fC forces they can so if the game goes under, they have all they need...

Seriously though, I hate when stuff like this happens to a game I love.

We invest time, work and love into a game we enjoy, and now nobody knows if next year we'll even still be able to buy those last models for our collection or even start that second or third factions we all someday wanted to collect.

And sorry, but TTCombat may be a stable, honest company willing to keep their IPs alive, or they may just as well be some badly-run investment scheme that'll just milk the IPs and throw them to the trash when they are finished. Looking at their website, nothing they have done up to now has even reached as many gamers as Hawk Wargames did, so they have no real reference.

I hate when stuff like this happens to a game I love.

Oh, I already said that.


That TTCombat has no Game with as much impact as Hawk could be a bad thing but it does not have to do. I think a lot will come down to how they will really run that business - e.g. if they are mainly producing and selling the stuff while game developement is still in Daves / "Hawks" hands might be a good thing for increasing the impact as they might be able to a.) still can focus on quality of the game and b.) might be able to get out more releases spreading the games impact.
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Re: TTCombat aquires Hawk?

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 5:04 pm

Skylifter-1000 wrote:I guess there's two options for dedicated fans:

1. Give up and go back to GW, at least that is going to stay the same consistently trashy game forever.

2. Buy all the Dz/fC forces they can so if the game goes under, they have all they need...

Seriously though, I hate when stuff like this happens to a game I love.

We invest time, work and love into a game we enjoy, and now nobody knows if next year we'll even still be able to buy those last models for our collection or even start that second or third factions we all someday wanted to collect.

And sorry, but TTCombat may be a stable, honest company willing to keep their IPs alive, or they may just as well be some badly-run investment scheme that'll just milk the IPs and throw them to the trash when they are finished. Looking at their website, nothing they have done up to now has even reached as many gamers as Hawk Wargames did, so they have no real reference.

I hate when stuff like this happens to a game I love.

Oh, I already said that.


Flaming another (very successful company since the release of 8th) doesn't help get your point across. Both of them are pretty drama queen -esq

If you read the announcement hawk put out from TTcombat, they are taking over the logistics. Dave is still in control of Dropfleet and Dropzone still. He still making models and making rules. they run production while he can focus on his games. It isn't doom and gloom.

Most companies are known for their games. TTCombat has been doing MDF terrain for awhile and its been very successful. Games are always inherently known far more then terrain companies. They have also acquired other games to keep them going and develop them more.

Not sure how you think its so horrible, or where you draw that from.

what I don't like it 2.0 got pushed back to April, so my DZC is going back on the shelf for awhile. I didn't care for Dropfleet so that's getting sold off.

For a small IP to grow, you need good logistics and production. As we know from their KS, that was the issue. That offset their new stuff for a looooong time. Dropfleet people are clamoring for new ships, yet dropzone hasn't had anything in quite awhile. Also they hint at a Dropskirmish type game next year.
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Re: TTCombat aquires Hawk?

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 5:09 pm

Frm the Kickstarter Page:

Exciting announcement today, everyone! I'll let the folks at TTCombat take it from here:

Today we have an extremely exciting announcement here at TTCombat. We have completed a deal with Hawk Wargames to purchase both the incredible Dropzone Commander and Dropfleet Commander.

For the past few months we have been talking to Hawk about handling their logistics. The difficulty of off-site production combined with fulfilling one of the most successful UK wargaming Kickstarters of all time was putting strain on their business.

David Lewis is one of the most talented designers in the industry; he’s made two amazing games and a beautiful range of miniatures to support them. However, as time went on, David found himself spending most of his time running a company and dealing with the fall-out from the Dropfleet Commander Kickstarter.

After discussions on how to best move the business forward into 2018 and beyond, we both came to the conclusion that it would be better for Hawk Wargames to become a part of the TTCombat family.

David is of course staying on as lead designer and will now have his time freed up to do what he does best: design breath-taking miniatures. The TTCombat team have been working on a range of buildings and accessories which will launch alongside Dropzone Commander 2.0 at Salute in April, and there will be plenty more before then!

We have a lot of moulds that require remaking, so some supplies may be a bit short while we facilitate the transition, so we please ask all the DZC and DFC fans to be patient with us during this time. If you’ve followed TTCombat in the past, you’ll know that it won’t be long before everything is up and running.

The Dropfleet Commander Battle Fleet box deals will finally see release at the end of November and we are already building a good quantity of stock to ensure we can meet demand. David has already begun work on the destroyers for Dropfleet and they are looking fantastic!

The Dropfleet Commander Kickstarter still has some items outstanding, and we at TTCombat will be ensuring that all backers will receive all of their rewards promptly. If we have to make your toys from scratch then we will get pouring resin! There are also some outstanding vouchers, which of course we will be honouring via the TTCombat webstore. Once we have organised the stock we have collected from Hawk and got it all listed, you’ll be able to choose from any Dropzone Commander or Dropfleet Commander products, or the full range of TTCombat games, scenery, and accessories!

The next couple of months will be a little hectic as we get everything back on track, but once we do, hold on tight! We have some exciting years ahead... a third Commander game in 2018 anyone?

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