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UCM Military Structure

PostSat Mar 11, 2017 5:39 am

I'm curious as to UCM millitary structure as I'm wanting to add a little backstory to my army and give the battlegroups names and such, I just have no idea what they'd be called. Like you wouldn't really call a squad or two of tanks "Armoured Formation One" or something on a battlefield. It'd have a name like Echo Company or something. Or at least it might be called that, I've no idea what a Company technically is. So, anyone know anything about this? :)
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Re: UCM Military Structure

PostSat Mar 11, 2017 6:42 am

Its in the rulebook, UCM section.

UCMA Homeworldnamehere 1st Armoured Corps or Colonial Legion would be a good start.
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Re: UCM Military Structure

PostSat Mar 11, 2017 7:44 am

I've looked through that and it all deals with large formations. I'm thinking more battlegroups, so literally whatever you'd call 2-3 squads in a combined arms grouping. I think I'm gonna look into modern military organisation and take things from that as I imagine it'd be pretty similar. :)
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Re: UCM Military Structure

PostSat Mar 11, 2017 10:57 am

From what i'm aware, a typical force (1500pts) is roughly equivalent to a company, with a condor dropship carrying approximately a platoon's worth (or tank troop). Above that, a number of companies is a batallion under a major or lt. colonel, then regiment/brigade under colonel/ brigadier, 2-3 brigades a division (the smallest strategic unit, under a major general) then corps (ie. 1st colonial armoured corps) and possibly legion under Lt.General, and then of course armies.
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Re: UCM Military Structure

PostSun Mar 12, 2017 3:41 am

These vids might help
https://youtu.be/a15gihWu1SM
https://youtu.be/Z5j95VxhHxA
https://youtu.be/Ev2UVzrJg0Q

Also look at the sidebar for modern hierarchy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... prov=sfla1

So as Octavian Lars pointed out, 3 Sabers is an armored platoon and 30 legionnaires is an infantry platoon. So a condor can be considered a platoon transport, and an albatross would then be able to carry an armored company. It's also stated in the dropfleet rulebook that a New Orleans strick carrier carrys 1000 legionnaires a "full cohort" I don't know how many cohorts per legion, though that can probably be figured out by smarter people than me. (Hopefully some of that was coherent.)

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Re: UCM Military Structure

PostSun Mar 12, 2017 6:05 pm

Hmm, Octavian you say that a company would be roughly 1500pts worth of dropzone, and a platoon would be a condor full, but monster says that a company would be an albatross full, so essentially a few platoons. Seeing as each battlegroup in dropzone consists or approximately 2 "platoons" (two condors full) + support elements, do we have a name for that sized grouping? :)
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Re: UCM Military Structure

PostMon Mar 13, 2017 2:44 am

Yes. You said it. "Battlegroup".

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Probably not possible to exactly match UCM organization names and sizes to contemporary ones...
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Re: UCM Military Structure

PostMon Mar 13, 2017 3:14 am

Ahaha fair enough. I'm not looking for something exact though, just something that wouldn't be wildly inaccurate. :P
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Re: UCM Military Structure

PostMon Mar 13, 2017 3:36 am

J.D. Welch wrote:Yes. You said it. "Battlegroup".

:D

Probably not possible to exactly match UCM organization names and sizes to contemporary ones...


I agree with you there. (on both points)

In reference to my above statement about the albatross, 9 tanks is kind of small for a company. (Not to mention it was more personal opinion than anything, I guess I'm just too used to The somewhat cut-and-dry force organization in BattleTech.)

CheeseCake1128 wrote:Ahaha fair enough. I'm not looking for something exact though, just something that wouldn't be wildly inaccurate. :P


It's kind of a tricky subject, I suppose you could call a 1500 Point list a (here Comes BattleTech again) combined-arms battalion. Again just personal opinion. (Also 1500 points might be a little small to be called a battalion, I haven't had enough experience with DZC as of yet to really say for sure.)

On a side note it would be kind of neat to have a fluff based table of organization in a future supplement.
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Re: UCM Military Structure

PostMon Mar 13, 2017 7:51 am

I was aware of the 9 sabres/albatross being about the right size for an armoured company, but I would say it's more a reinforced platoon (especially given that each tank has 1 man)

for example: a sherman armoured troop (platoon):
3 sherman V, 1 sherman Vc firefly
each have 5 men so ~20 men plus support elements

UCM sabre platoon:
3 sabres, 1 condor
4 men plus support

UCM mechanised infantry platoon:
2 sections: 15 men, 2 bear, 1 condor
33+ men plus support
(about right for a modern unit, though maybe a touch on the small size)

I would say a battlegroup is each a reinforced platoon, with a number of these forming a company (or maybe a small battalion at higher points)
DzC units are possibly a little on the small size relative to modern units in terms of manpower, especially in armoured units due to the decreased manpower required to run them.
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