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Destroyer Preview

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 8:18 pm

That Destroyer design in the TT Games / Hawk announcement looks both deadly and gorgeous.

Discuss.

Also, it's UCM right?

I for one hope that Destroyers are:
1. Slightly larger than than Frigates and smaller than Cruisers
2. Focussed entirely on combat; no messing about delivering troops or launching fighers!
3. There's a version that can launch a Torpedo or a smaller Torpedo.
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Re: Destroyer Preview

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 8:56 pm

Yeah, definitely UCM. Looking at it, I can see it either being between a corvette and a frigate, or between a frigate and a light cruiser.
In any case, it's almost probably going to be light tonnage.

As for what its roll will be, I'm assuming it'll be a "super-Taipei", looks to be purely CAW, and its shape is not atmospheric looking in the slightest, so I expect it to be purely combat focused as opposed to more utilitarian frigates.

I like the new prong aesthetic the UCM has going on, with the thinner, tiered curves like on the Saratoga, Athens, Johannesburg, Perth, and now whatever this guy is called. Makes me want to see what the UCM's core roster would look like redone in this new style paradigm :lol:
It is interesting fluffwise, since it represents an obvious split of the stuff the UCM build before the reconquest started, and the stuff they started designing and building during the reconquest.
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Re: Destroyer Preview

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 9:17 pm

Destroyers IRL have been traditionally about the size or slightly larger than frigates, so I expect something similar in DFC.
I expect destroyers in DFC to be larger escorts, 5hp for non-PHR, 6hp for PHR kind of thing.

The preview destroyer certainly is not armed like Taipei. Taipei has 4 missile bays with 3 missiles each. The preview destroyer seems to have 3 missile bays with 2 missiles each centre-side of its wings.
It also has some sort of a central weapon system that does not look like the Cobra laser.

Basing on my own completely made-up assumptions I believe actually will be a super-Taipei destroyer with a Mauler Burnthrough CAW. Think about it - it shoots missiles with submunitions to create a particle trail to the target and then follows up with a Tesla-coil type of focused lightning along the trail. This thing screams Mauler Burnthrough :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: .
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Re: Destroyer Preview

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 9:47 pm

I'd personally assume 6 hull as the base, but 5 would work too.
As for the center bit, I think that's just a CnC center or sensor suite like all UCM ships have; there's something similar for all their cruisers and such, and likewise for the new battlecruisers (except in their case, it's on the top of their ventral prong)
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Re: Destroyer Preview

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 9:47 pm

Yeah I agree the spinal mount weapon is interesting: it might even be a super-heavy Mass Driver
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Re: Destroyer Preview

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 10:09 pm

Lordprinceps wrote:I'd personally assume 6 hull as the base, but 5 would work too.

Rulebook differentiates between small (escort) ships and big (light cruisers and up) ships based on hull points and not on tonnage. I.e. anything from 1 to 6 hp has 3" group coherence and D3" of explosion (where appropriate). Anything with 7hp and more has 6" group coherence and D6" of explosion.
If PHR destroyers are to have +1hp, then 5hp as base makes more sense, because it does't require writing new special rules for 7hp escorts.

Lordprinceps wrote:As for the center bit, I think that's just a CnC center or sensor suite like all UCM ships have; there's something similar for all their cruisers and such, and likewise for the new battlecruisers (except in their case, it's on the top of their ventral prong)

Might be, but where are its guns then? It seems terribly under-gunned if it is a sensor, which would mean it is a support destroyer (ECM?).
Also UCM cruisers tend to have very asymmetric sensor suites, while this thing isn't. It looks to me like a new weapon system, but in all honesty it can be anything.
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Re: Destroyer Preview

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 10:40 pm

Good point; I wouldn't consider the Destroyers to be capital ships like LC's and up are, so the 5 hull does make sense. It'd be interesting to see if the Shaltari destroyer has 4 hull, having -1 like the Glass, or stays at 5, not having reduced HP like their frigates.

As for the center bit, I can't really see it as being anything OTHER than a sensor suite. It's got the same little spires surrounding it that all UCM sensor bits do, with the only unique thing being the big central tower/dome.
It's guns are obviously the little hardpoints/pods on the insides of its prongs, but I wouldn't put out the idea of the center bit, and the entire array of prongs, being some singular weapon entirely.
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Re: Destroyer Preview

PostTue Oct 24, 2017 10:54 pm

Just realised I've been mis-reading it. The central hull is quite small and what I thought was a large gun is just the 'underside' of one of the 3 prongs of this Tri-Hull ship. Each of them has Burnthrough on I reckon. Maybe all 3 converge like the Death Star's Super Laser, but I doubt that :P

Bah I want revelations :)
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Re: Destroyer Preview

PostWed Oct 25, 2017 3:41 am

I really does look unarmed as far as I can tell. I like theory that its center is a Mauler BTL since it clearly isn't a standard Cobra style. Someone thinks each wing has missiles but they don't look like the frigates or Santiago missles, more like sensors. Now if it is a sensor ship and we all seem to think the Destroyer class is supposed to be anti atmosphere from low orbit (most common hope I've seen posted) maybe it will be like a Lima that instead of spiking a target lets other ships shoot into atmosphere if the destroyer is nearby.
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Re: Destroyer Preview

PostWed Oct 25, 2017 10:53 am

I need my rulebook to make image by image comparison.
However to me, the things sticking out of the wing housings (on the inside of each wing) look like missile warheads similar to what each UCM frigate has in the nose. The rulebook on the Strike Carrier schematic defines those as CA missiles. That's why I assumed those are destroyer CA missile housings.
They may be anything though, like for example a sensor package.

The whole UCM destroyer seems to be about frigate-sized if you look at the scale of the PD lasers and engines. Might be actually a bit shorter than the frigates. This scale would make spinal mounted thingy about the size of Cobra BTL.

Maybe UCM will get Pandora-equivalent with similar setup too? I mean 3 winglets with engines and BTL in the middle?
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