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Brutoni

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Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 22, 2018 10:53 pm

I think they will have more firepower than light cruisers, the same speed but be considerably more fragile. I think that would also prevent them stepping on the toes of some of the light cruisers.
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Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 22, 2018 11:44 pm

From other pictures it seems to me that both UCM and Scourge get a carrier destroyer and a torpedo destroyer.
The third one for them (wide side fins for Scourge, triple wing config for UCM) would be the ASW one then. This suggests to me that UCM will get Mauler-type anti-atmospheric weapon rather than Scourge.

One of the PHR ones is the troopship. One has missile racks similar to the big guy, so CAW. I suspect dual purpose CAW (both anti-atmo and anti-orbit), since no other weapon system seems to look like something anti-atmo. That, or not all PHR parts were shown.
The third one is gun boat, so either large caliber forward firing broadside equivalent, or medium caliber Fusillade, because large caliber Fusillade is a bit OP.

Won't comment on the distinctly phallic Shaltari shapes.

There is also the case of the missing destroyer. There were supposed to be 13 of them. I'm guessing/hoping it will be a PHR torpedo destroyer, which makes sense if both UCM and Scourge get one.

EDIT: the non-phallic Shaltari is a mini-mothership though.
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Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 22, 2018 11:48 pm

Also any lore people care to comment on PHR up-armouring and up-gunning the Princess Starliner?
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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 12:08 am

Regarding the 'missing Destroyer: the PHR might already have 4 variants as shown: we don't know for sure if the extra engines are baseline or a super-fast option that sacrifices a lot of firepower to rocket up the map and intercept stuff fragile Corvettes/Strike Carriers before they drop to Atmo.
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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 1:19 am

Yeah, so far, here's what I think we've got.

EDIT: Fixed based on new pics.

UCM
Torpedo and CAW
CAW with heavy PD/Aegis? Possibly some big central weapon?
Escort Carrier

Scourge
Stealth Carrier
Torpedo or Beam? Doesn't look like the Banshee torpedo, but it doesn't look like a furnace canon either. Maybe mauler?
Extra Occulus

PHR
Gun/Gun
Gun/CAW
[Mystery Box]/Gun
[Mystery Box]/CAW

Shaltari
Triple Barreled Unknown Weapon
Long Barreled Unknown Weapon
Mini-Mothership
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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 1:32 am

Nevermind! Looks like we have some proper pics from the painter, now.

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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 6:28 am

Well I thought it was extreme to suggest that there was a PHR variant which mounted the big turret and the wing guns - but there it is.

4 Mediums Calibre would give it lower net damage than the Europa but easier to use due to 2 x Front and 2 on a Turret.
But Fusillade 1-2 would fix this and make it a terriying mental image as it raced in guns blazing.

I am still considering that it's either a quad Nova BTL (Lock 4+ or something, not Supernova!) or Heavy Calibre guns!


Not keen on the idea of Destroyers launching Troops or Bombers though as hinted at by some designs.
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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 6:46 am

I just noticed something; the edge of the PHR destroyer's armor, from the underside, looks like its double layered. I'm not sure how that compares to the other resin models, but who wants to bet that it has heavy armor, or something else to make it tough as nails?
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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 8:09 am

After reviewing the pictures it seems the Scourge torpedo was wishful thinking on my part, which makes me very sad :(

I believe it has been confirmed already that each race will get a anti-atmo (ASW) destroyer. Also I think it was said, that Destroyers will have weapon systems requiring Weapons Free to work to full efficiency, so Fusillade?
The PHR "troop" compartment might actually be the ASW weapon instead. Maybe atmo-bomber launch bays? That or anti-atmo drone bay launch.

The line-up IMO is a as follows then:
UCM
Torpedo and CAW
Escort Carrier
ASW (Mauler-type lightning beam anti-atmo CAW? With Fusillade?)

Scourge
Stealth Carrier
Occulus + unknown bonus (Aegis or Fusillade?)
Unknown weapon destroyer, betting small Furnace beamer with anti-atmo weapons on the winglets

PHR
Gun / Gun (with Fusillade?)
Gun / CAW
Anti-Atmo / Gun
Anti-Atmo / CAW

Shaltari
Anti-atmo boobs
Unknown dick gun, maybe the singularity thingamajig (Distortion) with Fusillade?
Mini-mothership
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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 8:37 am

Intruder313 wrote:Well I thought it was extreme to suggest that there was a PHR variant which mounted the big turret and the wing guns - but there it is.

4 Mediums Calibre would give it lower net damage than the Europa but easier to use due to 2 x Front and 2 on a Turret.
But Fusillade 1-2 would fix this and make it a terriying mental image as it raced in guns blazing.

I am still considering that it's either a quad Nova BTL (Lock 4+ or something, not Supernova!) or Heavy Calibre guns!


Not keen on the idea of Destroyers launching Troops or Bombers though as hinted at by some designs.


I think we have to accept that launch DDs are coming. Torpedoes, Bombers and possibly even troops. To be honest I like that as it really does continue to give people options and with tournaments being 1250 points instead of 1500 points it will be nice to see reasonable options to add access to things like Torpedoes :).

4 BTL on the PHR Destroyer would be....mental. Even on a lower lock the fact remains would be that thing will be dropping loads of firepower. I'd still prefer guns with Fusillade myself. Force your opponent to deal with them.

Lordprinceps wrote:I just noticed something; the edge of the PHR destroyer's armor, from the underside, looks like its double layered. I'm not sure how that compares to the other resin models, but who wants to bet that it has heavy armor, or something else to make it tough as nails?


Hmmm, it would be about time. The fluff talks about how good PHR hull and armour is and yet we never really see it on the cruisers compared to just how tough the BBs, Light Cruisers and Frigates are. That said Reinforced Armour (so opponents have to roll 3 more for crit instead of 2 more) could be quite potent coupled with what will presumably be a 3+ save and 1 more hull point than all the other DDs.

If that was the case PHR DDs could really add value in forcing your opponent to make a painful choice. DDs going WF and shoving firepower down his throat all while the gunline cruisers close for broadside positioning.

Dheran wrote:I believe it has been confirmed already that each race will get a anti-atmo (ASW) destroyer. Also I think it was said, that Destroyers will have weapon systems requiring Weapons Free to work to full efficiency, so Fusillade?
The PHR "troop" compartment might actually be the ASW weapon instead. Maybe atmo-bomber launch bays? That or anti-atmo drone bay launch.


Dheran, I know a lot of people have shown interest in that but can you remember where TTCombat, Hawk, Andy or Dave said such a thing?

Fusillade looks possible and could be quite hilarious. Even Fusillade(1) could ensure 1 of these is throwing out firepower and I assume they will be G 1-3/2-3 ish.
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