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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 10:31 am

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Dheran wrote:I believe it has been confirmed already that each race will get a anti-atmo (ASW) destroyer. Also I think it was said, that Destroyers will have weapon systems requiring Weapons Free to work to full efficiency, so Fusillade?
The PHR "troop" compartment might actually be the ASW weapon instead. Maybe atmo-bomber launch bays? That or anti-atmo drone bay launch.


Dheran, I know a lot of people have shown interest in that but can you remember where TTCombat, Hawk, Andy or Dave said such a thing?

Fusillade looks possible and could be quite hilarious. Even Fusillade(1) could ensure 1 of these is throwing out firepower and I assume they will be G 1-3/2-3 ish.


I'm fairly sure it was under one of those FB discussions about the roles and number of destroyers and other new classes. Couldn't find it now though.

Fusillade can be easily meh as the Centurion V2 case shows.
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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 11:24 am

Dheran wrote:I'm fairly sure it was under one of those FB discussions about the roles and number of destroyers and other new classes. Couldn't find it now though.

Fusillade can be easily meh as the Centurion V2 case shows.


True, however I am hoping that the fact these aren't exclusive models will ensure the rules process is a little more rigorous.

Hmm fair enough. Hopefully we will start to see some official hints etc soon.
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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 2:09 pm

Anti-atmo weapons on destroyers is wishlisting from the community, TTCombat has been very non-committal as to what the armaments would be, only that they’d be well armed and you’d most likely have to go weapons free to get full benefit.

I will say that I’m totally blanking on the armament of the triad UCM destroyer. It looks like it’s an aegis boat, but we already have the Jakarta.

EDIT: a though occurs to me, what if there’s some kind of weapon on the end of the prongs? Something like a 4200 railgun and there was a painting miscommunication?c
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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 4:41 pm

Dheran wrote:I'm fairly sure it was under one of those FB discussions about the roles and number of destroyers and other new classes. Couldn't find it now though.


And that right there is why we need a fourm as well as FB groups for!

I really hope the CAW ones are going to be the anti-strike carrier ships. Also I'm very excited by both the other UCM ships. Torps and escort carrier are exactly what my fleet needs :D
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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 5:04 pm

Nobody wrote:Anti-atmo weapons on destroyers is wishlisting from the community, TTCombat has been very non-committal as to what the armaments would be, only that they’d be well armed and you’d most likely have to go weapons free to get full benefit.

I will say that I’m totally blanking on the armament of the triad UCM destroyer. It looks like it’s an aegis boat, but we already have the Jakarta.

EDIT: a though occurs to me, what if there’s some kind of weapon on the end of the prongs? Something like a 4200 railgun and there was a painting miscommunication?


From what I can tell, all the UCM destroyers have some form of baseline CAW with the white-tipped pods on the inside of their prongs; the torpedo destroyer has extra red-tipped/jakarta pods on the side, and the triad destroyer has more just by virture of having more prongs.

I'm 99% positive the ends of the prongs are just sensor clusters, and that the central hull is some kind of support or auxiliary system (hopefully not just a bigger Lima), but someone on facebook mentioned that the silver bits running along the outside of the central hull, between the prongs, looks a bit like a railgun.

Assuming there's no third barrel on the bottom (because then it'd be cut off by the stand), perhaps it's a new weapon system? The barrel looks much, much longer than even the ones on the 6400's.
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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 9:36 pm

Props to Lordprinceps for reposting the photos!

Anyways, my guesses
UCM
Torp and CAW boat
EWAR/command ship. The central pod is the important bit, but without more paint it’s hard to tell what it is. I’m guessing the silver elements on the side are just detailing and not significant in their own right. The main system doesn’t look at all like other UCM lasers, though. I also would not be surprised if it is some sort of troop ship or ASW ship.
Escort carrier

Scourge
Torp boat as it is superficially similar to the banshee’s and doesn’t look like a furnace cannon. Scourge are not consistent with their torpedoes.
Gunboat
Stealth attack carrier

PHR
Multi laser dessie. The guns follow the cylindrical aesthetic of PHR lasers, while their rail runs are blocky. The look a lot like the lasers on hyperions.
Fast CAW troopship

Shaltari
I’m guessing the long cannon is a heavy grav weapon, since it’s appearance is similar to tarantula and Seti’s grav weapons.
Triple mount seems closest to the distortion weapon on a firedrake.
Light mothership, maybe a strike carrier analog?
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Re: Destroyers!

PostFri Mar 23, 2018 10:29 pm

I doubt the triad destroyer is a troopship, just because of any visible hangar bays, but the more I look at it I really do think that the silver bits on the sides are weapons of some kind. They've got the same horizontal ribbing as other UCM guns, not to mention the same rectangular blocky barrel at the end like their railguns. Definitely not a 4200, or even a 6400, but something.

The one Scourge destroyer with the winglets I really doubt has a Torpedo either. Inconsistency of torpedoes aside, the one found on the bottom of the Banshee could likely fit into the torpedo tubes on the Dragon; the weapon on the destroyer is tinier by an order of magnitude, and while obviously not a furnace cannon, is similar enough in design that I think it's probably a beam of some kind. It could be a much smaller, weaker torpedo, but I really don't see the point of that, not to mention that most of the construction is embedded in the destroyer's head, while the Banshee's torpedo is free to drop away.

The PHR weapons are absolutely railguns, there's no way around it; All of their beam weapons, Hyperions included, have the heat channels/grooves running down the length of the weapon, while the weapons on the destroyer have channels running around the circumference. It looks a lot like their ground railguns, actually.

Good eye on the Shaltari! The long weapon does look a lot like their ground grav weapons, which makes me wonder how it'll function differently compared to their grav-coils.
The triple barreled weapon is a bit more of a stretch, but I suppose that's the closest similar weapon system there is.
Third ship is definitely a smaller mothership of some kind; I wonder if it'll require voidgates as well, or if it's more self sufficient than the Emerald?
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Re: Destroyers!

PostSat Mar 24, 2018 5:19 am

The triad destroyer is still being painted, which makes picking out important details hard. The silver bits are now painted, and i think it makes that rail along the sides of the hull stand out more than they will when the piece is done. It does look a bit like a rail gun barrel, but it is so small compared to the rest of the ship that it doesn't seem justified as the main weapons. Also, you would expect UCM to turret mount railguns that small compared to the rest of the ship. I have no idea what else it could be though, unless there are launch ports on the bottom or back. Scourge and Shaltari seem to have troopships, so I would not be surprised if this thing is a troopship too, with launch bays on the bottom or back.

As for PHR, nearly every railgun on all their models has a rectangular prism with the barrel offset from center and a sensor opposite. The only exception that comes to mind are the repeaters, but those are multi-barreled. PHR railguns also tend to have short barrels, with repeaters again being the exception. The most similar thing I can find are the lasers, which are round and long, and have a domed end with a small point for the aperture. Then again, it is hard to tell but the guns do not seem perfectly round, so they could be something else entirely.

As for the winged scourge destroyer, it is hard to tell what that horn is without seeing the front. It seems like it might have a barrel at the end, in which case it definitely is not a torp.
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Re: Destroyers!

PostSat Mar 24, 2018 7:05 am

I'm really going to have to disagree; after looking in closely at the pics and laying some lines over them, and comparing with 4200's and 6400's, it's definitely a railgun of some kind.

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It's got the same trapezoidal outer casing / radiator as the other two, along with the rectangular end barrel. You are right, however, that it's exceedingly strange for the UCM to have fixed mount railguns of all things, especially ones of such an apparently small bore. However strange it is, it definitely looks like a railgun.

As for the PHR, their railguns only have fully rectangular shapes on their ground forces. When looking at their space guns, however, the tops and bottoms of the prism's are rounded, almost like the entire gun is a cylinder with two sides shaved off. The Destroyer gun is just broader/wider/circular than the more tall/elliptical railguns. Additionally, the heating grooves for both the Sunspear and the Supernova lasers run lengthwise down the barrel, while they're circumferencewise on other PHR railguns, and on the destroyer weapon.

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Re: Destroyers!

PostSat Mar 24, 2018 2:20 pm

I agree with Lordprinceps here.
The PHR ones are certainly rail guns/mass drivers; they are very similar to what they have mounted in forward turrets. I would guess it is either 4x medium, or 2x medium (chin turret) and 2x large caliber ones (wings).
4x large caliber ones seems to be entirely unreasonable considering it is a full heavy cruiser broadside.

The UCM silver grooves may very much be a fixed mass driver too. Maybe a fusillade system based on 6400 profile?
Now the interesting part is the sensor/Mauler dome (still hoping it is a weapon). Considering that one PHR set has extra engines, maybe this UCM config has extra sensor range, making it a dedicated sniper?
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