It is currently Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:10 am


Destroyers!

Tell the world your Dropfleet related trials and tribulations!
  • Author
  • Message
Offline
User avatar

Astral Templar

  • Posts: 67
  • Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:54 am
  • Location: Swarthmore PA USA

Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 29, 2018 4:53 am

I didn't know the Princess liner had rules. Are they super secret or can anyone find them?
I tried a Google search and found nothing.
"There's a horror movie call Alien!? That's offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you." - The Doctor
Offline
User avatar

SwordOfJustice

Hawk Talon

  • Posts: 2609
  • Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:40 am

Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 29, 2018 5:51 am

Interesting video. Thanks for sharing that link, BlackLegion. It's weird though, it's not listed on the BoW website and nowhere on TTCombat Facebook page. How did you find it?
We have evolved beyond mere flesh and bone. We are the Post Human Republic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBC9LIUpKeo
Offline
User avatar

dread2005

Hawk Talon

  • Posts: 765
  • Joined: Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:54 pm

Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 29, 2018 7:05 am

well maybe they did a mistake... so it should not be viewed...

it sounds strange that, PHR has 4 Variants... just to get a bit more speed ... hm but we will see soon
Quote: " nothing is ever easy " by zedicus zul zorrander

Dropfleet ADMIRAL may Mankind conquer the universe
UCM ~2500 Points, PHR ~2000 Points

Dropzone GENERAL revenge of Mankind
PHR 2000 Points, UCM 3500 Points
Offline
User avatar

dread2005

Hawk Talon

  • Posts: 765
  • Joined: Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:54 pm

Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 29, 2018 8:30 am

in the end those 4 variants are really odd, or?

V1: One Weapon and Wing Speed
V2: Small Drop ( 1x Bulcklander?) (And Weapons?)
V3: One Weapon and Wing Weapons
V4: Small Drop and Wing Speed

I could image more than 4 Variants, but i am not sure if i like it this way... it depends on how much more speed we will get... ? is a destroyer about 75% of a Frigatte, say at 8" Trust and with wings at 10" trust? Or will it be at 7" Like a PHR Cruiser? hope not

A PHR destroyer will have 5+9 /2 = 7 HP at 3+ ( the variant with launch cap may be higher? 5+13 /2 = 9 HP ~~)

A UCM destroyer will have 4+8 /2 = 6 HP at 4+

A Scourge 4+8 = 6 HP at 5+

A shaltari 4+7 = 5 HP at 5+/4+
Quote: " nothing is ever easy " by zedicus zul zorrander

Dropfleet ADMIRAL may Mankind conquer the universe
UCM ~2500 Points, PHR ~2000 Points

Dropzone GENERAL revenge of Mankind
PHR 2000 Points, UCM 3500 Points
Offline

Tim

  • Posts: 12
  • Joined: Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:03 pm

Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 29, 2018 11:20 am

From the video

Shaltari get 3 versions - Mothership, BTL, ?
PHR get 4 - speed, weapons, launch - some combination of the 3 bits?
UCM get 3 - shoot into atmo (atleast 1 other race have this too), ?, ?
Scourge get 3 - launch, BTL, ?

Some additional rules which haven't been used yet are used on destroyers
Offline

Dheran

  • Posts: 142
  • Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:30 pm
  • Location: Ballybrack, Co. Dublin, Ireland

Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 29, 2018 11:27 am

Rules for Princess Liner are here:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0965/ ... narios.pdf
Link is from TTCombat page, More=>Resources=>Dropfleet Commander Resources=>Princess Liner Scenarios.

I don't think PHR with 4 variants is a mistake. There were supposed to be 13 destroyer classes: 3 per race + one extra for one of the races.
It also makes sense from the perspective of what we have seen on the pictures: you have two versions of wings (wing guns or close action weapons and extra engines) and two versions of frontal mounted element (dual gun turret or launch bays). There are 4 available combinations of those two mounts.
It would seem that PHR destroyer is just a flexible beast that can be fitted with mission-specific equipment.

The interesting question for me is: if PHR destroyer is at 7 HP then will it be classed as M (5 SR) instead of L (1 SR)?
7 HP is a hard border in the rule book for the start of capital ship tonnage: cohesion rules and explosion size changes with 7 HP. Also Shaltari Light Cruisers are at 7 HP and are M (5 SR).
Last edited by Dheran on Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:45 am, edited 1 time in total.
Offline

Dheran

  • Posts: 142
  • Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:30 pm
  • Location: Ballybrack, Co. Dublin, Ireland

Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 29, 2018 11:37 am

Tim wrote:From the video

Shaltari get 3 versions - Mothership, BTL, ?
PHR get 4 - speed, weapons, launch - some combination of the 3 bits?
UCM get 3 - shoot into atmo (atleast 1 other race have this too), ?, ?
Scourge get 3 - launch, BTL, ?

Some additional rules which haven't been used yet are used on destroyers


Shaltari:
- Mini-mothership
- BTL
- Unknown weapon systems, maybe anti-atmo? (fingers crossed)
PHR:
- Gun turret/gun wings
- Gun turret/CAW+engine wings
- Launch/gun wings
- Launch/CAW+engine wings
UCM:
- Mass driver anti-atmo
- Launch
- Torpedo+CAW
Scourge:
- Launch+cloak or stealth
- BTL+unknown system (maybe anti-atmo?) on the frontal winglets
- Some occulus system (with fusillade maybe?)
Also all Scourge ships have CAW systems very similar to CAW cruisers, so it is possible that Scourge destroyers will be stronger in close action department than non-CAW Scourge frigates.
Offline
User avatar

dread2005

Hawk Talon

  • Posts: 765
  • Joined: Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:54 pm

Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 29, 2018 11:55 am

Dheran wrote:...The interesting question for me is: if PHR destroyer is at 7 HP then will it be classed as M (5 SR) instead of L (1 SR)?
7 HP is a hard border in the rule book for the start of capital ship tonnage: cohesion rules and explosion size changes with 7 HP. Also Shaltari Light Cruisers are at 7 HP and are M (5 SR).


Well good question, since a Destroyer needs to have more than 4 HP, to be better than a Frigate there is not much room...

But lets see we have :

L, Corvette and Frigates (2 Hulls) Destroyers as third L
M, Light and Medium (2 Hulls) Destroyers as third M
H, Heavy and Battlecruiser (2 Hulls)
SH, Battleships and soon Dreadnoughts (2 Hulls)

Well hard to tell if a Destroyer gets M or L, but... i Suggest L would fit better for its role

Because it will must be cheaper than a Light Cruiser and in bigger numbers

it would look silly to let them be slower than light cruisers ... (by tonnage SR)



Its Role is to Counter destroy smaller Kraft. For this it needs speed and numbers
Quote: " nothing is ever easy " by zedicus zul zorrander

Dropfleet ADMIRAL may Mankind conquer the universe
UCM ~2500 Points, PHR ~2000 Points

Dropzone GENERAL revenge of Mankind
PHR 2000 Points, UCM 3500 Points
Offline
User avatar

dread2005

Hawk Talon

  • Posts: 765
  • Joined: Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:54 pm

Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 29, 2018 11:57 am

as an addition

PHR has the Troopship which has 13 HP, thats a Heavy Hull as M Tonnage

So it would fit into the Fluff that a PHR Destroyer with 7 HP counts as L Tonnage
Quote: " nothing is ever easy " by zedicus zul zorrander

Dropfleet ADMIRAL may Mankind conquer the universe
UCM ~2500 Points, PHR ~2000 Points

Dropzone GENERAL revenge of Mankind
PHR 2000 Points, UCM 3500 Points
Offline

Dheran

  • Posts: 142
  • Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:30 pm
  • Location: Ballybrack, Co. Dublin, Ireland

Re: Destroyers!

PostThu Mar 29, 2018 12:39 pm

There is only one hard border for ship size in the Dropfleet Rules: everything that has 6 HP or less has 3" group cohesion and D3" explosion size. Everything that has 7 HP or more has 6" group cohesion and D6" explosion size.
However, there is no link between tonnage and HP and so it is possible to have a 7 HP Light tonnage ship. This would create a counter intuitive situation though, where one of the escort ships follows different rules than the rest of them, so I doubt it will happen.

Over 6 HP there are no clear cut rules for which tonnage should start where, so it is perfectly possible for 13 HP ship to be M. Looking at it from fluff perspective, one could say that the tonnage is also a sign of how many ships of that class is in a typical fleet formation (there will be more M ships in fleet than H/SH).
PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests

cron