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The shock of victory.

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The shock of victory.

PostSun Oct 16, 2016 8:03 pm

So I was this thinking earlier today about the UCM as a society, and the following idea came together...

The UCM as a culture, a civilization are entirely based around a single philosophy, a single goal - the Reconquest... to amplify on that a little: the reclamation of the lost Cradle Worlds and Earth, combined with the destruction of the Scourge. Nothing less is acceptable.
This is a philosophy of total war - the UCM has spent its entire existence working towards this one goal, and has built their entire society around it - their economy, this history, their cultural identity...

So my question is this - could the UCM as a society survive victory? If they actually manage to achieve the Reconquest... would their society fall apart as the unifying drive that bought them to this point suddenly disappeared?
Would victory actually doom the UCM? :)
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Re: The shock of victory.

PostSat Oct 22, 2016 7:27 pm

Well, there's always the PHR, thay could be the primary target after the Scourge are gone. Then there's always the possibility of rebellion from former resistance factions, or even an outright UCM civil war between those who want a new government centered on earth and those who want to keep everything under colonial jurisdiction.
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Re: The shock of victory.

PostSun Oct 23, 2016 3:32 am

And don't forget the Shaltari! If it's true the they directed the scourge against the humans then they obviously have plans for them.
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Re: The shock of victory.

PostWed Feb 08, 2017 6:55 pm

The threat of such an invasion possibly happening again (even if it doesn't) would be a massive driving force for the preservation of the UCM.
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Re: The shock of victory.

PostWed Feb 08, 2017 7:12 pm

I agree that the UCM might very well face some serious internal upheaval after a victory over the Scourge, possibly to the point that it fractures into several nations. The UCM is basically a military-fascist regime with some nods to democracy - those kinds of governments don't last without outside pressure. Some of the fragments might remain independent, others join the PHR or become protectorates of the Shaltari. That said, assuming that the conflict doesn't turn too violent, the UCM fragments might maintain enough military might to remain independent from the Scourge.
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Re: The shock of victory.

PostWed Feb 08, 2017 10:34 pm

I have not read the DZC books and their fluff, but from what I can gather from DFC book, UCM is very much like the government straight from Starship Troopers. The only thing missing is the civil (read: military) service requirement for the right of vote. And that government existed before the bugs and the skinnies if I recall correctly.
It's rather easy for militarist governments to choose next mission, next foe to defend from, next land that rightfully belongs to them, so I doubt there will be much upheaval as long as the government provides bread and circuses.

If anything UCM could fall under its own weight, but it is way to small for that currently.
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Re: The shock of victory.

PostWed Feb 08, 2017 11:59 pm

Dheran wrote:I have not read the DZC books and their fluff, but from what I can gather from DFC book, UCM is very much like the government straight from Starship Troopers. The only thing missing is the civil (read: military) service requirement for the right of vote. And that government existed before the bugs and the skinnies if I recall correctly.
It's rather easy for militarist governments to choose next mission, next foe to defend from, next land that rightfully belongs to them, so I doubt there will be much upheaval as long as the government provides bread and circuses.

If anything UCM could fall under its own weight, but it is way to small for that currently.


Except that the UCM exists because of the aliens (in this case the Scourge). Basically Scourge invade Earth and Cradle Worlds, human survivors form UCM, UCM gets revenge.
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Re: The shock of victory.

PostThu Feb 09, 2017 12:05 am

Phantasm wrote:
Dheran wrote:I have not read the DZC books and their fluff, but from what I can gather from DFC book, UCM is very much like the government straight from Starship Troopers. The only thing missing is the civil (read: military) service requirement for the right of vote. And that government existed before the bugs and the skinnies if I recall correctly.
It's rather easy for militarist governments to choose next mission, next foe to defend from, next land that rightfully belongs to them, so I doubt there will be much upheaval as long as the government provides bread and circuses.

If anything UCM could fall under its own weight, but it is way to small for that currently.


Except that the UCM exists because of the aliens (in this case the Scourge). Basically Scourge invade Earth and Cradle Worlds, human survivors form UCM, UCM gets revenge.


I get that, it's in the book ;)

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