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Achilles and Orion vs Perseus with the new rules

PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 7:22 pm
by JJMicromegas
Hello, I am wondering if the Achilles I now viable given the three buffs with the latest rules update :
- All heavy calibre weapons crit on 1+ over their to-hit value
- It's heavy calibre weapon now has link
- Torpedoes are more difficult to avoid

Second question, with these changes do you think the Perseus or the Orion is preferable for the gun cruiser role?

Thanks in advance.

Re: Achilles and Orion vs Perseus with the new rules

PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 6:15 am
by Brutoni
I really want to try out the Achillies. Especially as you can be sure most take H or S due to the changes with Admiral rules! That said I'm not sure the Torpedo is worth it still. Too easy to fluff up the damage it causes.


Orion over Perseus would be my personal preference.

Re: Achilles and Orion vs Perseus with the new rules

PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 11:58 am
by Tychonaut
The buffs have made it a little bit better, but I think either the Heracles or Ajax do a similar duty better..

Heracles can hold the middle ground with the Dark Matter Cannon, then counter-punch with the bigger Heavy Broadsides.
It has the HP to survive being used this way, the Achilles doesn't.

The Ajax cost less points, and throws out more shots, and has a Burnthrough laser.
The Achilles fires the Torpedo at first opportunity, to prevent it being killed in the launcher, and then the ship gets ignored for the bigger threats, or dies because it had to get closer to be effective.


I guess it's just a question of balancing the 'Percieved Threat' each ship poses to your opponent at the time.

Re: Achilles and Orion vs Perseus with the new rules

PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 1:51 pm
by CaptainCrunch
I've used a pair of Achilles with a pair of Calypso using the new rules in a couple of games. I really like them. They put out very consistent damage. The torpedoes are meh because they must always wait a turn, so targets are most often dead before they become effective. If the torpedoes worked the same turn then I would say the Achilles is great .. but with current torpedo rules the Achilles is only decent to good.

I've never used a Perseus. Orion's were good in the two games I used them.

Having written everything above, I must say that I've used their Linked rules once, maybe twice ... ever, on the Achilles and Orion. Linked on opposite sides looks great on paper but is extremely difficult, and usually quite impractical, to pull off.

Re: Achilles and Orion vs Perseus with the new rules

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 7:44 am
by shuul
Actually aggressive usage of Orion's+Calypsos is one of the heaviest damage I've ever seen, just use max thrust early and go through enemy lines and do not care about exploding cruisers. In my one games against shaltari I managed to get both-sides shooting 4 turns in a row, such quantity of firepower is very efficient against shaltari shields.