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Making the best of a bad list...

PostWed Feb 17, 2016 3:34 pm

So I have a tournament this weekend to go to that I didn't think I could make. Yay! Down side is I am still new to the game and am building my model collection and thought I have more time to buy and paint models before my first 1500pts game. I have posted my future list but for now I am short some Raven As and Raven Bs since they are out of stock at every store nearby.

So I come to you to ask what can I do to make the most of this list:

1500 UCM Clash
Clash: 1496/1500 points
Standard Army
  • Standard Roster [1496/1500 pts]
    • Field Command [203 pts]
      • Kodiak: Kodiak(Captain) [203 pts]
    • Armored Formation [221 pts]
      • Sabre Squad: 3x Sabre [111 pts]
      • Eagle: Eagle [110 pts]
    • Legionnaire Corps [229 pts]
      • Legionnaires: 3x Legionnaires, Condor(+Missile Pods), 2x Bear [151 pts]
      • ^ Sharing ^ Legionnaires: 3x Legionnaires [78 pts]
    • Special Ordnance [335 pts]
      • Gladius Squad: 2x Gladius, Condor(+Missile Pods) [159 pts]
      • Rapier Squad: 3x Rapier, Condor(+Missile Pods) [176 pts]
    • Expeditionary Group [284 pts]
      • Hazard Suit Team: 2x Hazard Suit, Raven A(+Missile Pods) [106 pts]
      • Wolverine Squad: 4x Wolverine A [72 pts]
      • Hazard Suit Team: 2x Hazard Suit, Raven A(+Missile Pods) [106 pts]
    • Air Wing [224 pts]
      • Seraphim Squad: Seraphim [112 pts]
      • Seraphim Squad: Seraphim [112 pts]

I was considering swapping the Condor from the Bears and giving it to the Sabres but think the infantry need the speed boost. This is my entire collection right now so no other models are available.

Thanks for any advice!
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Re: Making the best of a bad list...

PostWed Feb 17, 2016 6:04 pm

Sorry but i got to ask: you have 2 Seraphim? Why?

No way changing the condor away from the infantry, you could only swap the condor from the rapiers if needs be.

And i'd swap the ravens from the Suits with the bears from the legionaires: nets you some free points (as you only need 4 bases) and does the job better (as the suits might want to stay and shoot and thus can hand their objective out of the window to a bear for extraction.)
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Re: Making the best of a bad list...

PostWed Feb 17, 2016 9:59 pm

I'd keep your infantry mobile. Darios' suggestion about the Legionnaires in the Ravens makes sense to me, but I don't play UCM so not sure if I'm missing something.

The Sabers and Eagle can start demo work that hopefully your Seraphim can finish. Just remember that you are relying on the Fast Movers and they may not show up until later, so demo buildings where your opponent is going to be on T3 and T4.

Always remember to form a game plan on how you will win the game. W/e the mission goals (objectives,intel,focal points), you just need 1 over half, not every goal possible. Score more when possible but don't jeopardize a strong position over greed.

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Re: Making the best of a bad list...

PostThu Feb 18, 2016 5:21 am

1500 UCM Clash
Clash: 1499/1500 points
Standard Army
  • Standard Roster [1499/1500 pts]
    • Field Command [344 pts]
      • Kodiak: Kodiak(Lieutenant) [168 pts]
      • Rapier Squad: 3x Rapier, Condor(+Missile Pods) [176 pts]
    • Armored Formation [242 pts]
      • Sabre Squad: 3x Sabre, Condor(+Missile Pods) [152 pts]
      • Longbow Squad: 2x Longbow, 2x Raven B(+Missile Pods) [90 pts]
    • Legionnaire Corps [176 pts]
      • Legionnaires: 2x Legionnaires, Raven A(+Missile Pods) [88 pts]
      • Legionnaires: 2x Legionnaires, Raven A(+Missile Pods) [88 pts]
    • Special Ordnance [269 pts]
      • Gladius Squad: 2x Gladius, Condor(+Missile Pods) [159 pts]
      • Eagle: Eagle [110 pts]
    • Expeditionary Group [244 pts]
      • Wolverine Squad: 4x Wolverine A [72 pts]
      • Hazard Suit Team: 2x Hazard Suit, Bear [86 pts]
      • Hazard Suit Team: 2x Hazard Suit, Bear [86 pts]
    • Air Wing [224 pts]
      • Seraphim Squad: Seraphim [112 pts]
      • Seraphim Squad: Seraphim [112 pts]


So I have a friend lending me some Raven Bs. This is MkII of the list now.

I have 2 Seraphim cause they are cool and look like TAC Fighters from Starship Troopers the movie :lol:

Taking some suggestions based on all that here is where I currently stand. Thanks again for the help provided and any future assistance given!
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Re: Making the best of a bad list...

PostThu Feb 18, 2016 7:12 am

you seem to have gotten me wrong there... please give the condor back to the hazards... they need a DS too. rather drive the rapiers or sabres on.
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Re: Making the best of a bad list...

PostFri Feb 19, 2016 6:28 pm

Ah I get you now. Will swap them over!
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Re: Making the best of a bad list...

PostSun Feb 21, 2016 3:43 am

The tournament went well. I came in 2nd out of 10 people. Fought Shaltari all 3 games! Driving on the Sabres wasn't terrible since the Shaltari were coming to me fast enough anyway. Seraphim were MVP in one game and terrible in a second. First game they did well. I will probably write up more later but thought I would give my thanks here for the tips! Got myself a new UCM Starter as a prize so have some more things to play with now.
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Re: Making the best of a bad list...

PostSun Feb 21, 2016 8:49 am

Cry of the Wind wrote:The tournament went well. I came in 2nd out of 10 people. Fought Shaltari all 3 games! Driving on the Sabres wasn't terrible since the Shaltari were coming to me fast enough anyway. Seraphim were MVP in one game and terrible in a second. First game they did well. I will probably write up more later but thought I would give my thanks here for the tips! Got myself a new UCM Starter as a prize so have some more things to play with now.


glad to be of assistance! And Gongratz to the placing. Btww. against Hedgehogs the seraphim actually isnt totaly mew... The walkers are a quite good target.
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Re: Making the best of a bad list...

PostTue Feb 23, 2016 7:51 pm

Congratulations, mate!

One tactic you might want to consider is pairing the Longbows with the heavy hitting Gladii. The Gladii can fire then the Longbows activate afterwards to provide smoke protection to them. It's quite a nice tactic, especially if you can get hull down as well. The Gladii can use their Articulated rule to fire over low cover.

Having Gladii paired with the Eagle in one battlegroup is pretty good too actually.
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Re: Making the best of a bad list...

PostWed Feb 24, 2016 4:11 am

Thanks!

I ended up running the Longbows with the Gladii and the Eagle with the drive on Sabres. Never used the smoke actually. Most turns I was either outside of LoS or had targets that needed firepower directed on them rather needing defense. In another thread I didn't see the value of the new Crossbow but think after playing a few games now I could use them in my list for sure!

The Eagle was my big let down unit this weekend. It never seemed to get an angles that would not result in it just being swatted down or its firepower just wasn't up to the task. Besides some building demo it never really killed anything nor did it seem to force my opponents to change their plans at all. Every game it was shot down, normally after I got frustrated with it doing nothing and rushing forward to try and at least damage a damn Jaguar or something.

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